Talk:TIE/x7/@comment-29680667-20170106160906/@comment-27221056-20170108122044

For some reason my local community doesn't like to play these top meta-lists. I hardly met any triple jumps when they were still a thing and triple defenders/two defs+OL/palp defs are frowned upon. So when we have a big tournament, we are usually badly prepared.

In one of said turnaments one guy flew 4 y-wings with Ion turret and Aggromech and made it to top cut, where he gutted a Vessery/Ryad/OL list, despite the losers hot dice, only to get demolished by triple defenders. Everyone thought his list was a great counter to defenders (it still is) but if defenders have lucky dice, they can't lose.

On the other hand, if you have bad dice and defenders, you lose big. In one tournament i played Vessery/Ryad/OL with SD on Vessery and went 3-3 with 625 MoV. Meaning I won 3 100-0 and lost 2 0-100 and another 25-100. And that was basically the dice talking.